Elizabeth Forbids Margaret from Marrying Peter | The Crown (Claire Foy, Vanessa Kirby)

Both! They feed off each other so well, you can't have one without the other.

​@@crystaliclakeAnd Eileen Atkins who plays Queen Mary is an absolutely outstanding actress.

That's "actresses," people, not "actors." 🙄😖😒

Those tears are Real…Ms. Kirby went in deep for that pain. She couldn’t have went there without Ms. Foy setting her up. The trepidation building up in the scene…wow! She really set the stage for Ms. Kirby and boy did she knock it out the park. Chef’s 😘 ❤❤❤

Times change. They modernise

Because Diana died... Peter's divorcee was not dead..

Maybe because he married when he was a widower.

Because he was a boy and also the firstborn heir (peak male privilege)

Times changed and C & C moved at a glacial pace.

Henry was a man , world is too harsh with women, always

Thanks for the versicle!

There wasn’t. Parliament was delighted to say yes - we know that now. There was no question she would lose her income. They WANTED her to keep it. What really happened is that Margaret came to her senses. He groomed her from the age of 14. It wasn’t an innocent attraction. She had a distracted father and a drunk mother who didn’t notice whey he MOVED HIS BEDROOM NEXT TO HERS when she was a child. We didn’t call it grooming back then. But it was. The actual love of Margaret’s life was her father. And somehow, she came to her senses. This was the palatable, public relations coup she managed after. Everyone was supportive. Letters had even been drafted explaining her marriage to commonwealth leaders. It all came out under an official secrets act release picky a few years ago.

I don't think grooming is the right word nor do I think an actual relationship itself occurred. You see during the time Margaret was 14 Peter was still fighting in the royal air force he didn't come on till the very end of george Vis tenure when he was a very sick man.
How ever I think grooming is the wrong word too. A palace you not alone and when they thought this was even a possibility they moved him to Brussels.
Also when the church separated from the catholic church there wasn't royal divorce except for Henry viii because he was an absolute monarchist but also the house of Windsor was the first royal family to bless divorce in 500 years. The church didn't want another Henry VIII situation they wanted the church to be a church not a free pass to divorce for the royals.

Henry VIII didn't want a divorce from his first wife. Henry VIII didn't believe in divorce. That's just modern shorthand to describe a far more complicated sequence of events.
Catherine of Aragon, had been married to Arthur, Prince of Wales, Henry's older brother, before either had turned 16. Her family paid a colossal dowry of 200,000 ducats. In todays money, about $30,000,000 worth of gold. Less then a month later, the two both fell ill with sweating sickness, and although she recovered, Arthur died. Henry VII attempted to retain the money anyway, by having her remarry his second son, Henry, Duke of York, who was five years younger than she was. This would be Henry VIII.
Critically however, this required papal dispensation from the pope: because canon law forbade a man to marry his brother's widow. Catherine therefore testified that her marriage to Arthur was never consummated as, also according to canon law, a marriage could be annulled if it was not consummated. This - an annulment - is not the same as a divorce. A divorce ends a marriage. Whilst an annulment proclaims it never to have taken place. Sort of like discovering your wife is your long lost sister.
During Henry VIII's reign, he became convinced that his lack of an heir was punishment from God for breaking that law, and marrying his brother's wife. He wanted the Pope to rescind his previous dispensation, and declare that actually, no, Arthur and Catherine *had* consummated their marriage and therefore her marriage to Arthur was valid, which would mean she couldn't also be married to Henry.
Theologically, legally, its a very different thing to a divorce.

Yes she is

Basically her whole entire identity as a human being.

Not a good wage when you only know life as a king's daughter.

@@michaelplunkett8059 another option, stay engaged permanently, keep the courtship in defiance of parliament. Moreover, parliaments come and go, once more amenable to their marriage came along, they could proceed.

​@@michaelplunkett8059she would have had money from inheritances. Just no longer the allowance.

i think the real problem was the fact that it was just Elisabeth and Margaret. in case of The Queens death, Margaret would be Queen. this would become impossible in the case of Margaret marrying Peter Townsend. Elisabeth had no choice.

If the Queen died Margaret wouldn’t be Queen!!!

Yes, I agree. There have been several women in her position who gave up their royal status & entitlements for the sake of being with the person they chose to marry. One of the most recent was Princess Mako of Japan, who married a commoner in 2021 & gave up her royal title and also refused any traditional payout from the Japanese government. It's not so targic as the show made it out to be. Plain & simple fact is that being a royal meant more to Margaret than being Peter's wife & the mother of his children.

Her sacrifice was Charles and Anne's gain

​@@nberrypatch02you realize than in the case of Japanese royalty women are stripped of their titles if they marry commoners? Something that does not happen to British royal women

She could have just given up her rights tho. If she truly loved him.

@@Cy93 That would have made them the Harry and Meghan of their time...

@@Cy93yes but also she didn’t want to

She saw what happened to her uncle.

I think it was more that she would’ve lost her family. As did Edward Vlll

​@@sherrielee8871 no she wouldn't but she would have lost the perks.b

@@sherrielee8871 Maybe that would've been for the best. Growing up under the shadow of an older sister and a mother who could fake the deaths of her nieces probably had a lot to do with her depression. A simple life with someone she loved might have been better even if it wasn't as extravagant.

@@kca3346Faked??? She would have been far to young to know anything about them, let alone fake their deaths.

Yes she could have.

Yes, she could have done a bill of renouncement and was given that option. Margaret didn't take it.

Because he divorced for her. He also groomed her when she was just a teen and he was still married and considerably older.
Because divorce is bad. Generally people should try to work things out within their marriages. Divorce is bad for kids, divorce is bad for society and divorce will never be accepted by the Church.
And the royals should uphold moral values, instead they all but one divorced, some while carrying on affairs.

Exactly. She came to her senses. He groomed her from the age of 14. And somehow, she came to her senses.

Yeah this isn't an authorized autobio.... it is a fictional TV show loosely based on the crown....

False. Everyone opposed this union.

@@Ariana-wv4pf I would love love love to hear sources from you. Mine has been in several documentaries about these two and Margaret's friends have been interviewed about this.

You’re not wrong, but this did also happen. Eden and the Queen came up with the plan for her to marry in Scotland where the rules of the church were different and weren’t opposed to a royal marrying a divorcee. However, said plan didn’t go down well with parliament and ultimately Elizabeth had to make the decision to give Margaret an ultimatum. Marry Peter and leave the family or stay and forget the marriage.

What was an 18 year old Philip when he courted the 13 year old Elizabeth? Different times, different attitudes. Someone forgot to tell Andrew about the changes though.

@@divinity176An 18 year old boy doesn't compare to a 30 year old man. 12 years are more than enough for his brain to mature.
And he was a married man in his 30s when he started grooming a teen Margaret, spending a lot of time together and maybe even sleeping with one another.

@@divinity176and stop saying different times. Children cannot consent to sex or marriage, so it was wrong then, it is wrong now.

They had a 16 year age gap tho. She was 13 and he was already 30. ​@@divinity176

​@@divinity176 Philip didn't court her at 13. They met for the first time then. A war was going on and he had better things to do than pushed Teenagers.

Well Elizabeth knew she was going to be queen one day so she had a very small dating pool, it wasn't an accident she ended up marrying a prince. Margaret was given more freedom for her choice of marriage, since after Elizabeth had Charles there was very little chance Margaret would ever be queen but still ended up choosing someone that was deemed as unsuitable.

That's religion for ya

​@@ProfessorTayBno nothing to do with religion. Margareth preferred the royal perks. She wanted the HRH and allowance.

The rules aren’t ridiculous. They were put in place to protect the family of the Monarch from making disastrous choices. George iii did it I think after his brothers married ‘unwisely’.

She COULD have married him, but CHOSE the Position over him.

​@juttapopp1869 they were forcing her to choose

Margaret couldn't live without the royal money. She was given a choice. Margaret chose not to marry.

That's actually wrong. She couldn't wave her scepter and change all the rules as she wished. Queen Elizabeth -- as a sister -- would have been more than happy to grant Margaret what she wanted. However, as head of the church, her role was clear. Besides that, Cabinet would have also needed to approve and they weren't inclined to do so. It's a complicated issue. And the bit about the 'pledge' made to their late father, let's be clear, the King would have found himself in the exact same position.

I agree. It may have been a shitty choice to make but it was a choice nonetheless. Her uncle gave up the crown to marry his wife.

The queen sure dident pull that with her adulteress son and that’s the 1 time she should have put Charles in his place he’s to old anyways and now sickly smh

DIVORCE is toxisch.

Well im sure the royal family is very happy that 💩 finally left them to be with that yacht girl

EXACTLY. …..

Amen.