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Senate Bill 20 is set to take effect on Sep 1, 2025, provided it is passed by the Texas House of Representatives and signed into law.

The bill, which seeks to amend Chapter 43 of the Texas Penal Code by adding Section 43.235, defines an offense as knowingly possessing, accessing with intent to view, or promoting obscene visual material containing a depiction that “appears to be of a child younger than 18 years of age engaging in activities described by Section 43.21(a)(1)(B)“. The activities described by Section 43.21(a)(1)(B) refer to depictions of s*xual conduct.

The legislation explicitly states that this applies “regardless of whether the depiction is an image of an actual child, a cartoon or animation, or an image created using an artificial intelligence application or other computer software.”

https://animehunch.com/texas-senate-passes-bill-that-could-criminalize-owning-anime-manga-games-with-loli-characters/

they call anyone under 18 years old as child so thats a lot of anime characters that will get banned

"obscene" is too vague and overgenaralize ban too they should have worded it "sexual intercourse" and that will just ban hentai but nope

no more asuka, rei and sailor moon as your waifus
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Thank god I'm not in texas! That was close.
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Thank god I'm not in texas! That was close.
@Rally- texas is only the beginning others will follow for sure
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Suddenly wish I was living in texas now.
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Leopards Eating People's Faces Party refers to a parody of regretful voters who vote for cruel and unjust policies (and politicians) and are then surprised when their own lives become worse as a result. From an October 2015 tweet by Adrian Bott (@/cavalorn) that went viral: "I never thought leopards would eat MY face," sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.
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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Leopards_Eating_People's_Faces_Party
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I thought it already wasn't allowed in Texas?



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Leopards Eating People's Faces Party refers to a parody of regretful voters who vote for cruel and unjust policies (and politicians) and are then surprised when their own lives become worse as a result. From an October 2015 tweet by Adrian Bott (@/cavalorn) that went viral: "I never thought leopards would eat MY face," sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.
Sources:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/leopards-eating-peoples-faces-party
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Leopards_Eating_People's_Faces_Party
This bill, just like Ron DeSantis and his book bans, is exposing the culture warriors as tourists like crazy. Infamous tourist Rev Says Desu has come out in support of this bill, and tried to downplay it. If you support this just to own the "wokes", you are a tourist who needs to be expelled from the fandom.

Spot more of these people. It's very important to expose all tourists, especially the big ones like him and his group.

@thewiru They don't regret their vote. The culture warriors never cared about fighting censorship; just about using us for their own gains. They pretend to oppose censorship, until their side does it.
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This bill is most likely going to be used specifically to target queer content in media. The Republican platform right now is actively targeting LGBTQ people and is trying to label any depiction of LGBTQ content in media or in real life as "pedophilia". As much as I am anti-loli/shotacon, they're essentially just using it as an easy bait to get people to side with them on this to ultimately achieve their real goal or erasing queer people from legally being able to exist in fiction and eventually in society as part of ongoing genocide efforts as reflected in Project 2025. Depending on how the "sexual content" is defined, even something as simple as Ashoka wearing a tube top in early episodes of Star Wars the Clone Wars would fall under it and I genuinely wouldn't be surprised given how restrictive the current platform is of their party. People like me warned you about this shit and yall didn't listen, you're gonna see shit like this A LOT more frequently over the coming years. I cannot in good faith support something like this given the wide reaching implications of how it will be weaponized
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The legislation explicitly states that this applies “regardless of whether the depiction is an image of an actual child, a cartoon or animation, or an image created using an artificial intelligence application or other computer software.”
its just a matter of time until world politicians notice the sexualization of minors in anime
You get what you vote for, my commiseration for Texas is pretty limited. Note they already block pornhub, too. Gilead in the making.

The rest of the world does not agree, and won't. There was an attempt to get animated loli porn banned by the UN a few years ago, and the EU, Japan and at that time federal level USA rejected the motion. All those countries criminalize sexualized images of real children and AI generated photorealistic equivalents. Cartoons, however, are expicitly excepted, because we want to protect children here and not tell adults what sexual preferences they are allowed to have. Ink and paper have no rights to protect, and there are no victims. Dissenting were Canada, Australia and (not sure) New Zealand, so precedence of criminalization of loli porn exist as well.

Whatever your personal opinion on the subject matter is, I don't think Europe and Japan will change their decision any time soon. Trumpsylvania and Jesusland will do whatever they please, and I don't really care about self inflicted damage.
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Thankfully I don't live in Texas...
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Thank god I'm not in texas! That was close.
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I don't believe this law will hold up in court.
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I'm honestly shocked that wasn't already a thing. Frankly, the way things are going in the country as a whole, I'm expecting a tariff on hentai and body pillows any moment now. Let the porn trade war begin.
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This bill is most likely going to be used specifically to target queer content in media. The Republican platform right now is actively targeting LGBTQ people and is trying to label any depiction of LGBTQ content in media or in real life as "pedophilia". As much as I am anti-loli/shotacon, they're essentially just using it as an easy bait to get people to side with them on this to ultimately achieve their real goal or erasing queer people from legally being able to exist in fiction and eventually in society as part of ongoing genocide efforts as reflected in Project 2025. Depending on how the "sexual content" is defined, even something as simple as Ashoka wearing a tube top in early episodes of Star Wars the Clone Wars would fall under it and I genuinely wouldn't be surprised given how restrictive the current platform is of their party. People like me warned you about this shit and yall didn't listen, you're gonna see shit like this A LOT more frequently over the coming years. I cannot in good faith support something like this given the wide reaching implications of how it will be weaponized
@LSSJ_Gaming This is why any LGBTQ+ person should oppose all censorship. No matter what, it will attack you.
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People like me warned you about this shit and yall didn't listen, you're gonna see shit like this A LOT more frequently over the coming years.
This would have happened regardless of who won. Both parties support this censorship. This also applies to just about every other bad thing that has happened in politics recently. That's why I didn't vote for either of the major parties.
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lol Such a law would be struct down when and if it reaches the supreme court. Back in 2002 I remember the Supreme Court struck down a law banning virtual child pornography because it ruled that the law was too broad and infringed upon free speech rights. the Supreme Court though mainly struck down the law because it would criminalize images that didn't involve actual children. Going beyond just fiction, this current Texas Bill is already too broad because who is to judge how old someone looks that is under the age of 18? There would also be an uproar for retroactively banning a multitude of media entertainment from TV shows to films that have been in circulation for up to over 50 years and even fine Art that has been around for centuries.

My Wife use to pass looking like a teenager to most people in real life when she was still in her early 30s, The Texas police going to come after me if I have a photo of my wife provocatively posing in a bikini on a beach when she was in her early 20s simply because someone will say, "But she look like she is under age, because she is extremely petite and looks like she is shorter than 143cm."? lol

If I ever got arrested for such a thing as having a such a photo of my wife in her 20s in Texas, I would Sue the State of Texas hardcore and likely get a huge check out of it simply for punitive damages.
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Most likely its going to be an unenforced law considering its impossible to regulate such things (X is full of such content and Elon don't have issue with it) besides US has the First Amendment which its something like Canada, UK and Australia, the three most authoritarian English speaking countries, don't have and due to such reason they banned lolisho content.

But the law as it written looks like its most likely to regulate realistic fictional content rather than unrealistic fictional content.

Hope this law is revised and they only ban AI-generated content of real kids. This will be best.
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deg said:
43.21(a)(1)(B)


As it is now that goes:

https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_43.21
a) In this subchapter:
(1)“Obscene” means material or a performance that:
(A)the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that taken as a whole appeals to the prurient interest in sex;
(B)depicts or describes:
(i)patently offensive representations or descriptions of ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, including sexual intercourse, sodomy, and sexual bestiality; or
(ii)patently offensive representations or descriptions of masturbation, excretory functions, sadism, masochism, lewd exhibition of the genitals, the male or female genitals in a state of sexual stimulation or arousal, covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state or a device designed and marketed as useful primarily for stimulation of the human genital organs; and
(C) taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, and scientific value.

And down the ladder go hard on jokes? Does the patently offensive match things like American Pie and Made In Abyss ?
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43.21(a)(1)(B)


As it is now that goes:

https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_43.21
a) In this subchapter:
(1)“Obscene” means material or a performance that:
(A)the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that taken as a whole appeals to the prurient interest in sex;
(B)depicts or describes:
(i)patently offensive representations or descriptions of ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, including sexual intercourse, sodomy, and sexual bestiality; or
(ii)patently offensive representations or descriptions of masturbation, excretory functions, sadism, masochism, lewd exhibition of the genitals, the male or female genitals in a state of sexual stimulation or arousal, covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state or a device designed and marketed as useful primarily for stimulation of the human genital organs; and
(C) taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, and scientific value.

And down the ladder go hard on jokes? Does the patently offensive match things like American Pie and Made In Abyss ?
@Sasori56483 Precisely this is why most countries do not open this can of worms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it
Our courts simply have more important things to do than to discuss about 600 year old vampire lolis. Any law based on undefineable moral world views is opening the door to arbitrary application. It reduces equality and security under the law, and is a step away from the rule of the law.

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It reminds me of that meme that never existed but should have: "I gotta loaded loli and I ain't afraid to use it!"


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Most likely its going to be an unenforced law considering its impossible to regulate such things (X is full of such content and Elon don't have issue with it) besides US has the First Amendment which its something like Canada, UK and Australia, the three most authoritarian English speaking countries, don't have and due to such reason they banned lolisho content.

But the law as it written looks like its most likely to regulate realistic fictional content rather than unrealistic fictional content.

Hope this law is revised and they only ban AI-generated content of real kids. This will be best.
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Most likely its going to be an unenforced law considering its impossible to regulate such things

The point of such laws isn't to "go after everyone" (Since, just like you've said, that wouldn't be viable), but rather to give "probable cause" to persecute "the enemy of the week".
Something similar happens with obscenity laws in Turkey where two people might do the same thing, but only one of them be persecuted for it (Usually because someone has some form of vendetta against that person in specific).
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43.21(a)(1)(B)


As it is now that goes:

https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_43.21
a) In this subchapter:
(1)“Obscene” means material or a performance that:
(A)the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that taken as a whole appeals to the prurient interest in sex;
(B)depicts or describes:
(i)patently offensive representations or descriptions of ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, including sexual intercourse, sodomy, and sexual bestiality; or
(ii)patently offensive representations or descriptions of masturbation, excretory functions, sadism, masochism, lewd exhibition of the genitals, the male or female genitals in a state of sexual stimulation or arousal, covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state or a device designed and marketed as useful primarily for stimulation of the human genital organs; and
(C) taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, and scientific value.

And down the ladder go hard on jokes? Does the patently offensive match things like American Pie and Made In Abyss ?
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Does the patently offensive match things like American Pie and Made In Abyss ?

If a judge decides it does, then it does.
Do you REALLY wanna rely in whether they had their lunch or not?
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Most likely its going to be an unenforced law considering its impossible to regulate such things

The point of such laws isn't to "go after everyone" (Since, just like you've said, that wouldn't be viable), but rather to give "probable cause" to persecute "the enemy of the week".
Something similar happens with obscenity laws in Turkey where two people might do the same thing, but only one of them be persecuted for it (Usually because someone has some form of vendetta against that person in specific).
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The point of such laws isn't to "go after everyone" (Since, just like you've said, that wouldn't be viable), but rather to give "probable cause" to persecute "the enemy of the week".

That results in lawsuits in the USA, at which point the law will be dropped.
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The point of such laws isn't to "go after everyone" (Since, just like you've said, that wouldn't be viable), but rather to give "probable cause" to persecute "the enemy of the week".

That results in lawsuits in the USA, at which point the law will be dropped.
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You gotta look at the bigger picture: They'll try to pass 100 different laws like that given enough time.
They don't need all 100 to succeed: If a single one does, it was all worth it.
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As a cunnysoir, I would ignore this law either way. Not going to delete my hentai for some tyranical slop gov who worships Israel.

That aside, under 18 means way more than just loli. At least 80% of anime could be banned including og dragonball for Chi Chi, Bulma, Goku, Krillin, ect.
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You gotta look at the bigger picture: They'll try to pass 100 different laws like that given enough time.
They don't need all 100 to succeed: If a single one does, it was all worth it.
@thewiru
USA judges often rule by "precedent," meaning they copy each other. The moment 1 such law is blocked, the other 99 fall like dominoes. Nothing can be banned here if enough people want it. We learned that the hard way when we banned alcohol for 16 years.
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It is a very complicated issue, it should be evaluated case by case, from the level of realism and the type of sexual acts, the fact remains that it makes no sense for a government to protect a victim who does not exist because such conduct could lead to committing crimes when the opposite is easier, that is, to be an outlet for those who would otherwise be led to commit crimes. I personally would leave alone all those who have only fictional material and only prosecute those who have both fictional and real material.
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Funny thing about this is, Canada does have laws like these, but they're pretty much never enforced. How else could a series like To Love Ru & Mahaoko, which has sexual depictions of underaged girls, be printed & sold there, but no one faces any legal repercussions for it?
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USA judges often rule by "precedent," meaning they copy each other. The moment 1 such law is blocked, the other 99 fall like dominoes. Nothing can be banned here if enough people want it. We learned that the hard way when we banned alcohol for 16 years.
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Fine, I will concede, you make a strong argument.
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This is one example of an immense amount of evil shit the Texas government is doing right now.
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This bill is most likely going to be used specifically to target queer content in media. The Republican platform right now is actively targeting LGBTQ people and is trying to label any depiction of LGBTQ content in media or in real life as "pedophilia". As much as I am anti-loli/shotacon, they're essentially just using it as an easy bait to get people to side with them on this to ultimately achieve their real goal or erasing queer people from legally being able to exist in fiction and eventually in society as part of ongoing genocide efforts as reflected in Project 2025. Depending on how the "sexual content" is defined, even something as simple as Ashoka wearing a tube top in early episodes of Star Wars the Clone Wars would fall under it and I genuinely wouldn't be surprised given how restrictive the current platform is of their party. People like me warned you about this shit and yall didn't listen, you're gonna see shit like this A LOT more frequently over the coming years. I cannot in good faith support something like this given the wide reaching implications of how it will be weaponized
@LSSJ_Gaming cool mental gymnastics

xtians and lgaybt are the exact same level of anti anime puritan as you yourself agree lol
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deg said:
43.21(a)(1)(B)


As it is now that goes:

https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_43.21
a) In this subchapter:
(1)“Obscene” means material or a performance that:
(A)the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that taken as a whole appeals to the prurient interest in sex;
(B)depicts or describes:
(i)patently offensive representations or descriptions of ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, including sexual intercourse, sodomy, and sexual bestiality; or
(ii)patently offensive representations or descriptions of masturbation, excretory functions, sadism, masochism, lewd exhibition of the genitals, the male or female genitals in a state of sexual stimulation or arousal, covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state or a device designed and marketed as useful primarily for stimulation of the human genital organs; and
(C) taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, and scientific value.

And down the ladder go hard on jokes? Does the patently offensive match things like American Pie and Made In Abyss ?
@Sasori56483 Made in Abyss is a hilarous example given the author is a clear pedophile and doesn't hide it.
I love how casuals are so into shit like that and Ghibli when for example Miyazaki is also an open pedophile.
The mainstream condemn lolishit for obvious reasons but then consume literal lolishit made by creators who hate lolicons because they aren't liking the "real" thing like they do lmao.
It reminds me of the mental gymnastics feminists do to explain why Kill La Kill which depicts teens in such clothing is akshually a feminist narrative just like they now cope about bayonetta, 2B, and Faye Valentine.
The era of plausible deniability and cope of intent needs to come to an end.
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Well not exactly loli characters, minor characters being sexualized, it said.

Texans would still be able to access to that stuff via piracy I think.
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USA judges often rule by "precedent," meaning they copy each other. The moment 1 such law is blocked, the other 99 fall like dominoes. Nothing can be banned here if enough people want it. We learned that the hard way when we banned alcohol for 16 years.
@Lucifrost alcohol doesn't have a moral argument against especially given how many other "immoral" things are now acceptable and much higher on the totem pole. however puritanism is still in full force thanks to feminism, gynocentrism, christianity, and the rise of asexualism post covid. Ergo this will be a universally popular narrative with no pushback even amongst the anime community who still think k-on and moe ruined anime and that this will force Japan to make Bebop again which is comical given how anime works.
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Well not exactly loli characters, minor characters being sexualized, it said.

Texans would still be able to access to that stuff via piracy I think.
@CaptainKenshiro The best thing this will do is hopefully kill Crunchyrolls catalogue and eventually kill it as a "streaming service"
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The legislation explicitly states that this applies “regardless of whether the depiction is an image of an actual child, a cartoon or animation, or an image created using an artificial intelligence application or other computer software.”
its just a matter of time until world politicians notice the sexualization of minors in anime
You get what you vote for, my commiseration for Texas is pretty limited. Note they already block pornhub, too. Gilead in the making.

The rest of the world does not agree, and won't. There was an attempt to get animated loli porn banned by the UN a few years ago, and the EU, Japan and at that time federal level USA rejected the motion. All those countries criminalize sexualized images of real children and AI generated photorealistic equivalents. Cartoons, however, are expicitly excepted, because we want to protect children here and not tell adults what sexual preferences they are allowed to have. Ink and paper have no rights to protect, and there are no victims. Dissenting were Canada, Australia and (not sure) New Zealand, so precedence of criminalization of loli porn exist as well.

Whatever your personal opinion on the subject matter is, I don't think Europe and Japan will change their decision any time soon. Trumpsylvania and Jesusland will do whatever they please, and I don't really care about self inflicted damage.
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There was an attempt to get animated loli porn banned by the UN a few years ago, and the EU, Japan and at that time federal level USA rejected the motion. All those countries criminalize sexualized images of real children and AI generated photorealistic equivalents. Cartoons, however, are expicitly excepted, because we want to protect children here and not tell adults what sexual preferences they are allowed to have. Ink and paper have no rights to protect, and there are no victims.

Do you know why photorealistic animation is criminalized? Just curious about the reasoning, because bits and bytes don't have rights to protect either, and there are no victims as well.
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Most likely its going to be an unenforced law considering its impossible to regulate such things

The point of such laws isn't to "go after everyone" (Since, just like you've said, that wouldn't be viable), but rather to give "probable cause" to persecute "the enemy of the week".
Something similar happens with obscenity laws in Turkey where two people might do the same thing, but only one of them be persecuted for it (Usually because someone has some form of vendetta against that person in specific).
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but rather to give "probable cause" to persecute "the enemy of the week".


Also see chilling effect

In United States and Canadian law, the term chilling effects refers to the stifling effect that vague or excessively broad laws may have on legitimate speech activity.[5]


It can be enough to make an example out of a few people, so even if it is impractical to go after everyone, the signal that they could be going after you will cause enough hesitation for some that its effects go beyond the number of people pursued legally.

Like how ICE is not going to be able to catch even a quarter of undocumented immigrants, but the idea that there is a serious efforts to do so will make people hesitate.
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I wonder how many localizers will try to find ways to get around this law via means of censorship or tinkering with the canon, especially if the law does extend to other regions and over 90% of anime does end up getting banned.

I mean with some titles it’s already pretty easy. Gurren lagann for instance only needs to raise Yoko’s age to 18 and suddenly it’ll be exempt from this ruling.
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The problem with this law is that it can be abused. And sometimes they might target an anime that has nothing to do with loli shit.

Something as harmless as “Medalist” could be banned based on the artstyle alone.
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but rather to give "probable cause" to persecute "the enemy of the week".


Also see chilling effect

In United States and Canadian law, the term chilling effects refers to the stifling effect that vague or excessively broad laws may have on legitimate speech activity.[5]


It can be enough to make an example out of a few people, so even if it is impractical to go after everyone, the signal that they could be going after you will cause enough hesitation for some that its effects go beyond the number of people pursued legally.

Like how ICE is not going to be able to catch even a quarter of undocumented immigrants, but the idea that there is a serious efforts to do so will make people hesitate.
@Auron thats a cool word to learn "chilling effect" i will try to remember that
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I don't believe this law will hold up in court.
@Lucifrost The current US government does't care what courts think.
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There was an attempt to get animated loli porn banned by the UN a few years ago, and the EU, Japan and at that time federal level USA rejected the motion. All those countries criminalize sexualized images of real children and AI generated photorealistic equivalents. Cartoons, however, are expicitly excepted, because we want to protect children here and not tell adults what sexual preferences they are allowed to have. Ink and paper have no rights to protect, and there are no victims.

Do you know why photorealistic animation is criminalized? Just curious about the reasoning, because bits and bytes don't have rights to protect either, and there are no victims as well.
@Zarutaku The concept is that this sort of thing creates a market and plausible deniability for people trafficking in the real thing. Ultimately, AI may be able to create work which is indistinguishable from the real thing and then you can claim that the real thing is AI generated. It's easier and safer to just ban the lot.
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This is a reasonable law though. You guys are only going mask off here.
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Though if it's also CGDCT in a beach episode or beach chapter then it's just nuts. I understand if it's h*ntai but not ecchi.
You can just go to the beach and look at kids if it's due to "predatory" reasons they'd ban it. Didn't read the article.
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There was an attempt to get animated loli porn banned by the UN a few years ago, and the EU, Japan and at that time federal level USA rejected the motion. All those countries criminalize sexualized images of real children and AI generated photorealistic equivalents. Cartoons, however, are expicitly excepted, because we want to protect children here and not tell adults what sexual preferences they are allowed to have. Ink and paper have no rights to protect, and there are no victims.

Do you know why photorealistic animation is criminalized? Just curious about the reasoning, because bits and bytes don't have rights to protect either, and there are no victims as well.
Zarutaku said:
Do you know why photorealistic animation is criminalized? Just curious about the reasoning, because bits and bytes don't have rights to protect either, and there are no victims as well.
I am not authorative in the answer, but from what I read and think the reasons are.
  1. Police work - in the respective criminal circles it is common practice to demand a new trading partner to bring material with them, so they are "equally criminal" from the start. This prevents police from infiltrating pedocriminal rings, as they are not allowed to use real images of children. But for them there is an exception from the "fotorealistic" clause, so they can offer victimless material and get into the organization.
  2. Burden of proof - Under the rule of the law one is innocent until proven guilty. But it may be hard to proof that material is from real child abuse and not generated. In any case it makes prosecution a lot more difficult and expensive, as there are more bad excuses now to feed the defense lawyers. Thus the simple rule: if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.
  3. The sane adult argument - a key concept behind the European decision is that we trust our sane adults to tell reality from fiction. Nobody will confuse an anime character with a real child. With high quality generated image, this line blurs and nobody for sure can tell real abuse material from generated stuff. Plus at this point the "art is protected" argument may start to kick in. To avoid another slippery slope here, the "walks like a duck" rule was applied

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Ok, cool, so the process of the US Senate turning into something similar to Gosduma is proceeding faster than I thought.

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@Zarutaku The concept is that this sort of thing creates a market and plausible deniability for people trafficking in the real thing. Ultimately, AI may be able to create work which is indistinguishable from the real thing and then you can claim that the real thing is AI generated. It's easier and safer to just ban the lot.


What a ridiculous argument to make. Not like I am for child pornography but simply to broadly do away with anything and everything to be even remotely associated to something simply out of convenience just because it's something they don't personally like would be like saying to do away with all power tools simply to eliminate the possibility of anyone to potentially fatally hurt themselves by using them. Better yet, getting rid of all fire arms simply because someone can easily hurt someone with one. In fact, simply get rid of AI because it can be used to potentially generate such a thing to begin with, right? After all, "It's easier and safer to just ban the lot." lol

If AI can generate something that one would claim to be "indistinguishable" to the real thing, then such technology could also be used to "distinguish" its authenticity too.
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