VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

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As it's been said by many times by various folks, I wish the team would just focus on the game and get things done there and start making significant forward progress. Instead, they're wasting so, so much time and effort on all these "fanfic" scenarios and art packs that have absolutely zero impact and bearing to the game since they're not part of the story at all. None whatsoever. These variant packs takes more effort than doing a proper update to the game in the same span of time. Still haven't felt the need to update in, gosh, forever since there's still essentially nothing there yet.
 
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so much time and effort on all these "fanfic" scenarios
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Its weird, why don't they just include all of those in the game and update. Sure give it exclusively to your patrons for 3-6 months but than put it in the game. Why keep all that work out on the floor.
 
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shadow415 said:
Its weird, why don't they just include all of those in the game and update. Sure give it exclusively to your patrons for 3-6 months but than put it in the game. Why keep all that work out on the floor.
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It's one way to encourage people to pay for the game. Unless you pirate you can't get the content, and as hard as it is to believe some people don't know how to or aren't willing to pirate.
 
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shadow415 said:
Its weird, why don't they just include all of those in the game and update. Sure give it exclusively to your patrons for 3-6 months but than put it in the game. Why keep all that work out on the floor.
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The scenarios don't often fit very well into the game overall. They make little sense to the story or the involved characters (personality or otherwise) relative to the grand scheme of things. Hence, they're official "fanfics" from the dev team themselves, but not related to the game nonetheless. They're supposed to be small bonuses for their higher-tiered patreons; yet, it comes off to many as just another way for them to grift their fans, and put less work into the game itself in order to prolong and milk it.
 
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These variant packs takes more effort than doing a proper update to the game in the same span of time.
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Alright, I'll bite. How do you figure that? A brand new scene in an update requires:

- Drawing several images from scratch (albeit a lot of work can be saved as you're only doing things like changing facial expressions for the vast majority of them)
- Writing about 2000-5000 words of text in the scene itself, plus however many thousands of words and scripting in whatever quests leads up to the scene.

A variant pack scene requires:

- Slight modifications of a scene already drawn (usually putting a different head on the body, or drawing on a different outfit)
- Just the 2000-5000 words for the scene itself, no quest dialogue and scripting required.

(This is why I stopped bothering to try to integrate my fanfic mod scenes into the game itself and just put them in Sabia's tent to view in a gallery.)
 
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Alright, I'll bite. How do you figure that?
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You know what? I stand corrected. (Forgive me if I type anything incoherently as I may be a little drunk off New Year's celebrations.)

After looking into a bit, I was mistaken about an assumption I had apparently made. I was under the impression that they were pumping out these packs all the time with a bimonthly release at the latest between packs. Y'know, as a "monthly" rewards for their higher-tiered patrons. Given that, I thought the time spent to come up with various ideas (and putting them to vote at times), doing the write-ups and necessary revisions, and the art would take significant time away from other aspects -- such as actually working on the game itself. Yes, I'm aware they wouldn't take into account too much of the game's variables, if any; thus, they wouldn't need to worry about that stuff since it was supposed to be a "fun, fanfic" kind of thing. Taken as whole, to hit that monthly or bimonthly quota would have been a significant investment of time and effort. That was how I understood it.

This, of course, was an incorrect assumption; and I appreciate Viressa for indirectly squaring me on that matter. Unfortunately, it appears to me, now that I know that they are about as slow with these packs as their updates, that they may actually have less of a work ethic than I had imagined. This is... making me quite sad. I really want to believe in the team and in their project and vision. But after reading the above post and (admittedly) briefly looking into the matter and the dev team's perpetuity for being tight-lipped on news and progress updates, I'm left leaning towards the thought even more that they may actually be milkers, or lazy, or both. And that was not something I was fully on board with. Aw crap, now I'm a little bummed out. I'm gonna go get some pie. Pie is great. I like pie.

Happy new year, everyone! Hope it'll be awesome and wonderful for you all! May the lewd be with you! Cheers! Go get drunk.
 
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It's in the game already, iirc, as one of the very first bad ends featured in the game.
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i meant more as part of the plot, like sabia gets the orc tribes and the minotaur tribes to ally for whatever reason and during the festivities from the alliance sabia and whoever she manages to rope into helping her get pregnant after things get out of hand
a longshot, i know, but i like the irony of sabia helping with the next generation of minotaurs after wiping a good chunk of them out
maybe an ending choice with her being the minotaur queen with high dominance or a breeder with high submission, along with the other girls that participated in the celebration
 
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feeltheforceofevil

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i meant more as part of the plot, like sabia gets the orc tribes and the minotaur tribes to ally for whatever reason and during the festivities from the alliance sabia and whoever she manages to rope into helping her get pregnant after things get out of hand
a longshot, i know, but i like the irony of sabia helping with the next generation of minotaurs after wiping a good chunk of them out
maybe an ending choice with her being the minotaur queen with high dominance or a breeder with high submission, along with the other girls that participated in the celebration
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Why not both a queen AND a breeder? You can have the best of both worlds with no one left behind.
 
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Alright, I'll bite. How do you figure that? A brand new scene in an update requires:

- Drawing several images from scratch (albeit a lot of work can be saved as you're only doing things like changing facial expressions for the vast majority of them)
- Writing about 2000-5000 words of text in the scene itself, plus however many thousands of words and scripting in whatever quests leads up to the scene.

A variant pack scene requires:

- Slight modifications of a scene already drawn (usually putting a different head on the body, or drawing on a different outfit)
- Just the 2000-5000 words for the scene itself, no quest dialogue and scripting required.

(This is why I stopped bothering to try to integrate my fanfic mod scenes into the game itself and just put them in Sabia's tent to view in a gallery.)
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Really? Their new update what they "produced" for over 9 months could be made within 2 weekends. It was just another disgrace show to milk their supporters. Same images everywhere. Basically one or two new cg scenes. The same old shitty looking tent sex scenes which everybody critiqued and they promised to change. They did not even bother to properly make a new background scene. Vehlis was drawn in one position and they called it a day. And story wise they are not fresh and enticing any more, this story was far less exciting and interesting than the last Ornshakar ritual, looks like they don't even have more ideas what to do.
These variant packs are a nice extra, but only if they could produce something first. Otherwise it is just a clown reaction to keep their 15 and 25 usd supporters claiming how hard they work.
 
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